Reacties op: IntelliJ – The IDE I wanted to love

Door: Jasper Floor

Jasper Floor — Tue, 30 Jun 2009 09:26:23 +0000

I agree with the people who suggest using IntelliJ from scratch would be easier. The project I have doesn’t have the best structure. I simply don’t have the time to get it to work since my job isn’t playing with tools to figure out how they work. I’ll probably get back to it someday, but for now eclipse is just easier. Mind you, in the future we’ll have reorganised out project so it will probably be easier to switch.

Otoh, since someone mentioned NetBeans, I have colleagues playing with NetBeans and they are quite enthusiastic about it. So it might well be that IntelliJ has sort of lost a chance here, even if it is because of my ignorance. In any case I know I will come back to IntelliJ someday. I probably will wait until I have an isolated project to work on however. Even migrating Eclipse project between different flavors of Eclipse can be frustrating.

Door: Thai Dang Vu

Thai Dang Vu — Mon, 29 Jun 2009 13:25:53 +0000

Your problem is at the Eclipse project import feature of Idea. I never try to import an Eclipse project into Idea, so I don’t know how difficult it is. But when I know the directory structure of an Eclipse project, what libraries it uses (it’ll be great if it’s a maven-based project), then I can configure Idea to use that same directory structure and libraries.

One thing I think Eclipse is better than Idea is that it seems to me Eclipse starts application servers (like Tomcat, JBoss) faster than Idea.

PS: the refactoring feature in Idea is great while that in Eclipse sucks.

Door: Dean Schulze

Dean Schulze — Sun, 28 Jun 2009 02:29:05 +0000

I tried switching to IntelliJ 4 years ago, but there was no serious resource for an Eclipse user migrating to IntelliJ to turn to. I posted some basic questions on the IntelliJ forums, but got no response.

My impression was the the IntelliJ team doesn’t want to help Eclipse users migrate to IntelliJ. Maybe they are afraid of having an Eclipse user come to the conclusion that the IntelliJ emporer really has no clothes. Or maybe they just consider it below their dignity.

Either way, IntelliJ didn’t work for me.

Now I would love to find someone help me migrate to NetBeans. I understand that for JAX-WS development NetBeans is significantly ahead of Eclipse.

Door: duffymo

duffymo — Sat, 27 Jun 2009 22:12:31 +0000

If you have a working Eclipse project, why don’t you ask IntelliJ to import it?

Door: Rod Morgan

Rod Morgan — Sat, 27 Jun 2009 19:54:50 +0000

I can relate to the sentiment of feeling completely lost in a new environment. I started live using visual studio (C++ and early java). When I switched to Eclipse I felt a little lost too, but only for a short while. Later I tried to use Xcode on the Mac, but simply could not get used to it. I have had mixed feelings about IntelliJ, it’s true that one should put some effort into learning it, but I tried that and still felt lost with it. Maybe I should have tried harder, but exactly how much harder?

Door: Bill Pfeiffer

Bill Pfeiffer — Sat, 27 Jun 2009 18:12:08 +0000

I get the same type of feeling that you encountered when trying to use Intellij IDEA. I just get it when I try to use Eclipse. Frankly they are both complicated IDE’s with complex project structures and deployment schemes. Every problem you encountered I have generally walked through in IDEA without much problem. I work in a shop that is half IDEA and half Eclipse and we all work on the same J2EE project with the same Ant build script. Each has its library config, etc. My perception is that both are extremely good IDE’s that really help productivity, however, I do tend to see the IDEA guys using the ‘magic’ features that gain IDEA its reputation as an IDE that developers love. I use both and I see developers utilize very cool features in both. The “I couldn’t learn to love it” crowd usually hasn’t taken the time to be comfortable in the IDE (either one). My $.02.

Door: OtengiM

OtengiM — Sat, 27 Jun 2009 18:09:10 +0000

Before post stupid blogs you should first learn and experience more how to use IntelliJ IDEA. Bad bad blog.

Door: Vinny Carpenter

Vinny Carpenter — Sat, 27 Jun 2009 17:56:41 +0000

I have to say that I have been an IDEA user since early beta of v2.0 and it is the best IDE out there. Having said that, I can understand someone coming from Eclipse finding things a little different. Quick question — Do you know what application you are trying to build? What is it doing? How is Eclipse managing the project and what is Eclipse doing? If you don’t know what your project is doing, how its built, it’s not really fair to blame an IDE for your ignorance. You may want to refer to this document on how to import an Eclipse project into IDEA and good luck.

http://www.jetbrains.com/idea/webhelp/index.jsp?importing-eclipse-project-to-intellij-idea.html

Door: William Shields

William Shields — Sat, 27 Jun 2009 17:08:21 +0000

So basically you have no idea how to use it, pressing F1 doesn’t immediately spoonfeed you the answer, it works differently to Eclipse and it’s all IntelliJ’s fault.

The problem is not IntelliJ, it’s how you use it. And I’ve seen that a thousand times. People have come to depend on Eclipse so much, that their projects simply won’t build anywhere except in Eclipse. Try IntelliJ on a project that builds and deploys completely headless, such as a Maven project, and you’ll be amazed. Or start a project from scratch inside IntelliJ, and you’ll really understand where its power lies. But the whole Eclipse import thing is a mistake from IntelliJ guys. I understand why they did it, but it doesn’t work. Importing an Eclipse project into IntelliJ is like trying to make an ugly fat woman fit into the beautiful red dress of your beautiful woman. zzzzip… CRACK!